Silver rapids .223 powder coated bullets.

I bought a few hundred of these to try out, first thing I noted when I started reloading them was the crazy array of base finish's. The coating has pooled at the base of almost every bullet causing bumps, shapes and patterns, I will be greatly surprised if I get any consistency with these bullets.
With this array of base shapes I am expecting a similar array of POI, the base of a bullet is super important for accuracy.

I find it much more time consuming to powder coat rifle than pistol. 2 or three times at least. The standard of finish and consistency required takes a lot more time and work to achieve.

Can someone explain to me.
I had to bell the case mouth to load cast bullets, but now when seating the bullet there is still some bell left on the case. I have set seating die down to touch the ram, but the bell on the case mouth is still visible.

Can someone explain to me.
I had to bell the case mouth to load cast bullets, but now when seating the bullet there is still some bell left on the case. I have set seating die down to touch the ram, but the bell on the case mouth is still visible.

What happens when you put an empty, belled case through the same die? It is supposed to crimp, or not? Maybe some internal adjustment?

Do you not have a Lee Collet Crimping die? That will easily fix the mouth so that it will chamber easily.

Do you not have a Lee Collet Crimping die? That will easily fix the mouth so that it will chamber easily.

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I just may have one of these !

I tried 4 loads today - "fokkit dus lelik" - fkn everywhere + some where else on page!!!! AT 50 m

Do you not have a Lee Collet Crimping die? That will easily fix the mouth so that it will chamber easily.

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I just may have one of these !

I tried 4 loads today - "fokkit dus lelik" - fkn everywhere + some where else on page!!!! AT 50 m

This is pretty normal for ma ;D ;D

Do you not have a Lee Collet Crimping die? That will easily fix the mouth so that it will chamber easily.

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I just may have one of these !

I tried 4 loads today - "fokkit dus lelik" - fkn everywhere + some where else on page!!!! AT 50 m

This is pretty normal for ma ;D ;D

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Huh ?

Just kidding, and joking with my own

Do you not have a Lee Collet Crimping die? That will easily fix the mouth so that it will chamber easily.

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I just may have one of these !

I tried 4 loads today - "fokkit dus lelik" - fkn everywhere + some where else on page!!!! AT 50 m

This is pretty normal for me ;D ;D

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Huh ?

Spelling mistake.

I was joking with my own bad shooting days.

Ok !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is bad, very bad.
55 gr V Max 4 bullets touching holes at 50 m
65 gr Siera 3 bullets clover leaf

62 gr Silver Rapids PolyCoated 8 shots 2 on page ?

I have no idea what is going on, last load were hand size groups with the odd missing bullet, now its find the holes. The bullets are at about 2600 fps, they not stripping because there is no fouling. WTF is going on ?

It is so bad I honestly just feel they do not work in this rifle at all, but really like not at all.

Running too slow might be the problem. Give me some figures to work with and let QL do some magic.

What velocity are they supposed to be good to?

What velocity are they supposed to be good to?

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2700 fps - I just know its not my reloading, something else wrong here, 1 in 8 twist ?

Do you have a silencer fitted?

Yes I do

Shoot without it please. Many inaccuracies are blamed on loads when it is in fact the bullet touching the silencer.

Shoot without it please. Many inaccuracies are blamed on loads when it is in fact the bullet touching the silencer.

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any reason the lead bullet would touch and nothing else does ?

There is no harm in trying and seeing if there is an improvement. A rifle that normally shoots well should not scatter them like a shotgun.

There is no harm in trying and seeing if there is an improvement. A rifle that normally shoots well should not scatter them like a shotgun.

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Oh ! totally agree, I just thought that you had some info on lead bullets and silencers or something. I will try it, but I suspect their velocity claims are ambitious.
I am also very dubious of the bullet bases - the base is very critical in regard to accuracy.

I will try it, but I suspect their velocity claims are ambitious.
I am also very dubious of the bullet bases - the base is very critical in regard to accuracy.

I don't know what the composition of the coating is but if it's properties are anything at all like powdercoat I'd tend to agree.

I will try it, but I suspect their velocity claims are ambitious.
I am also very dubious of the bullet bases - the base is very critical in regard to accuracy.

I don't know what the composition of the coating is but if it's properties are anything at all like powdercoat I'd tend to agree.

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I had a long chat with the owner of Silver Rapids today - Gavin, what a nice man, honest, honest enough to say somethings that were not promoting his product, just true - the guy seems to have a thing about straight talk.
The bullets are at the moment more for the SLR guys, 2 MOA at a 100 m stuff.
The goal is to do a one MOA bullet, but they are not there yet or are they? After much chatting Gavin told me of various rifles that produced touching hole results and the reasons they found behind the rifles that were inaccurate.
It seems that hard cases altered the bullet diameters by quiet a bit, particularly previously fired PMP cases which were swageing the lead bullet to below usable diameter. Interesting ?
He also spoke of a new propriety type of coating originating on the shuttle and F1 cars that has a fiber inter poly makeup which they are hoping will get the bullets into the 3000 fps ability zone.

So for now I will work with the info and checks he gave me to see if I can get to the 1 MOA at 50 m and then work from there.
They are also looking at running a second strike, swageing stage to perhaps get the bullet more capable of copper coated accuracy.

My best .270 cast and powdercoated load is every bit as accurate as the best I achieved with jacketed bullets just at approx 70% of the velocity.

I will be loading these to about 2500 fps for another test, I also annealed all the cases - a bit over annealed perhaps.

Would hitting a bullet with a hammer simulate impact ? I am told these bullets are very hard, I wish to test this.

Shoot them into water soaked magazines.

Smashing the bullets with a hammer is a good way to test how well the coating bonds. Doubt if it's meaningful as a test of what the bullet would do on impact though. I once made a few newspaper targets similar to what Tripodmvr describes. Stuffed rolled newspapers into HTH buckets till I couldn't fit any more in and then topped off with water. Shot them with my Svarog 12G slugs to test their efficacy.

I collect last years telephone books for this purpose. I now go to printing shops as well and get the side off cuts.
This works for penetration and deformation/expansion. I used the hammer to see if the bullet shatters, crumbles or breaks up.

Tree, when you going to do battle with those red bullets again? I want to try get our .303 ready and right. Call me.

I give up, not even going to try any more. I can not get these bullets to group, I have shot about 80 shots of 4 shot groups, nothing works or even starts leaning towards a receipt.
I forgot to try shoot with out a silencer - that is all it can be now, there is nothing - fokkallee, else it can be.
Must must be touching the silencer - what else.
20221230_190904 by Cody Allen, on Flickr

The numbers are the string group, so the 2 and other 2 - 3 and 3 were all shot as four shots group 3 and so forth.
I had to enlarge usable page to find some holes, hence the new unshot background sheet.
This is at 50 m

20221230_190949 by Cody Allen, on Flickr

What the *&^%&^%^&% to do, I want them to work.

Did you measure speed?

not with me now, but yes a few time 2400 - 2600 was in the test range. I think the last batch was even slower, but had no chroni as was on farm not range

Have you tried the same cartridges in another rifle? It would indicate whether the rifle is to blame.