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Casting => Alloys and Composition => Topic started by: Ds J on Mar 21, 2024, 11:42 AM

Title: Altered wheel weight composition?
Post by: Ds J on Mar 21, 2024, 11:42 AM
Does anyone know whether the new wheel weights (flat, rectangular stick-on) type have an altered chemical composition?

I heard this morning that folks have not succeeded melting them like the old wheel weights.
Title: Re: Altered wheel weight composition?
Post by: oafpatroll on Mar 22, 2024, 10:22 AM
Lead is being phased out of wheel weights internationally so a lot of whet you'll find here now are zinc or even steel. Zinc is a bitch if it gets into a lead melt as relatively little of the stuff messes up a lot of lead. I'm not aware of any easy way to get it out of a lead melt either so I've binned a fair bit of contaminated lead over the years. Getting hold of wheel weight scrap is harder and harder nowadays though as it seems to be collected from the fitment places on a contract basis for the most part. My local tyre place used to give me theirs in 20l buckets for a case of beer a couple of times a year but now I buy range scrap.     
Title: Re: Altered wheel weight composition?
Post by: Mohamed on Mar 22, 2024, 01:24 PM
I got a box of wheel weights from a fitment center some type back. Went through the lot which took some time, hardly any lead weights in it. All zinc based. Stopped asking them for more.
Title: Re: Altered wheel weight composition?
Post by: 223 on Mar 23, 2024, 05:53 AM
The wheel weights are often marked to identify the material (and weight):
Steel = Fe
Zinc = Zn or Zk
Lead = Pb
Title: Re: Altered wheel weight composition?
Post by: Treeman on Mar 24, 2024, 02:12 PM
The stick on weights are all alloys and lead substitutes, in short useless. You only want the metal clip on type of weights.
Title: Re: Altered wheel weight composition?
Post by: oafpatroll on Mar 24, 2024, 06:59 PM
Quote from: Treeman on Mar 24, 2024, 02:12 PMThe stick on weights are all alloys and lead substitutes, in short useless. You only want the metal clip on type of weights.

Sadly those are not 100% guaranteed to be lead either anymore.
Title: Re: Altered wheel weight composition?
Post by: big5ifty on Mar 30, 2024, 06:22 PM
It's easy to separate the lead from the zinc and steel.

Use a wire cutter, close the jaws on the item. If its lead, it'll be soft and the cutter jaw will sink into it.

It it's zinc or steel, it won't.

The last time I bought wheelweights by the bucket nearly half of them were not lead.

Title: Re: Altered wheel weight composition?
Post by: Krazong on May 08, 2024, 08:03 PM
I find that the stick-on wheel weights which are actually made of lead (Pb) can only be used for muzzle loaders.  In fact, they are so soft that it's in fact almost pure 100% Lead.  Because it's not really an alloy, it casts with great difficulty and does not flow as well as the crimp-on wheelwreights.  You also would want to increase the temperature a lot to effectively cast a nice bullet without wrinkles.  They made great roundballs and I use them exclusively to cast my .715" and .735" roundballs.  These balls consume huge amounts of lead, being 550 and 650 grains respectively.
Title: Re: Altered wheel weight composition?
Post by: troglodyte on May 09, 2024, 06:33 PM
Quote from: Krazong on May 08, 2024, 08:03 PMI find that the stick-on wheel weights which are actually made of lead (Pb) can only be used for muzzle loaders.  In fact, they are so soft that it's in fact almost pure 100% Lead.  Because it's not really an alloy, it casts with great difficulty and does not flow as well as the crimp-on wheelwreights.  You also would want to increase the temperature a lot to effectively cast a nice bullet without wrinkles.  They made great roundballs and I use them exclusively to cast my .715" and .735" roundballs.  These balls consume huge amounts of lead, being 550 and 650 grains respectively.

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I was told the stick on weights are NOT pure lead, the need to be softer than lead and are therefore an alloy. I have believed this since forever,
I now actually researched it to correct your post only to find that the stick on weights I have been turning down are actually the real thing ..........................Waaaaaaaaa ha ha ha !