.. and then there's this
1000 yard BMG record (https://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2009/07/rasmussen-sets-new-1-9557-50-cal-record-at-1000-yards/)
So. Does that mean the right combination of components is not general knowledge yet ?
That was a heavy gun record, meaning the gun was 50 lb max weight.
The weight of the rifle is not the major factor in the accuracy, so it's not inconceivable that a 40 lb gun , such as limited to in Ko2m, can be as accurate as any Barret or Cheytac.
Quote from: big5ifty on Feb 01, 2024, 01:07 PM.. and then there's this
1000 yard BMG record (https://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2009/07/rasmussen-sets-new-1-9557-50-cal-record-at-1000-yards/)
That was a heavy gun record, meaning the gun was 50 lb max weight.
Heavy price too
Wonder how much this would cost in SA ?
Probably need to be a millionaire to run this package !
Quote from: Newton on Feb 01, 2024, 02:42 PMProbably need to be a millionaire to run this package !
If you look at the cost in relation to the purpose, you may be surprised.
Is the BMG expensive to shoot ? Yes. Is any shooting cheap ? I don't think so.
The cost of running a BMG is an equally inaccurate popular opinion, like when people say it's cheap to reload. It's not. The cost of a loaded round is cheaper than the cost of a factory round, that's all. Reloading is not cheap.
If you use the BMG alone to maintain DSS in South Africa, you need three? shoots per year, 30 rounds per shoot, let's say 100 rounds. That's three tins of powder, 100 primers and 100 bullets. You'll use Peregrine, there's no competition bullet that is better at a cheaper price.
I think a dedicated PRS competitor exceeds that cost annually on reloading components.
Quote from: big5ifty on Feb 01, 2024, 04:59 PMQuote from: Newton on Feb 01, 2024, 02:42 PMProbably need to be a millionaire to run this package !
If you look at the cost in relation to the purpose, you may be surprised.
Is the BMG expensive to shoot ? Yes. Is any shooting cheap ? I don't think so.
The cost of running a BMG is an equally inaccurate popular opinion, like when people say it's cheap to reload. It's not. The cost of a loaded round is cheaper than the cost of a factory round, that's all. Reloading is not cheap.
If you use the BMG alone to maintain DSS in South Africa, you need three? shoots per year, 30 rounds per shoot, let's say 100 rounds. That's three tins of powder, 100 primers and 100 bullets. You'll use Peregrine, there's no competition bullet that is better at a cheaper price.
I think a dedicated PRS competitor exceeds that cost annually on reloading components.
Anything beyond .22LR is - in THIS country unaffordable for most - reloading or not
How long will your legal propellant limit last with this monster ?
How many shots do you need to practise and maintain skill level ?
How many shots does Lee Rasmussen shoot in a season ?
Where do you find a range where you can shoot this behemoth whenever you want to ?
You need to be a millionaire to do this package justice ..
Unless .... you have some type of sponsorship !
Roy in Durban is selling his.
Quote from: Treeman on Feb 01, 2024, 10:01 PMRoy in Durban is selling his.
Family Jewels ?
Perhaps a link or photo ?
Truvelo 50 BMG for sale. (https://www.gunmarket.co.za/listing/for-sale-truvelo-cms-50bmg-bolt-action-rifle/)
This is Roy's.
Thanks
Very particular / specific firearm
Not everyone's - cup of tea ( unless you like to boast - that yours is bigger .... )
Not mine - I like classic - with a properly designed wooden stock ( laminated )
For that money I would rather buy more land
Quote from: Newton on Feb 01, 2024, 06:02 PMHow long will your legal propellant limit last with this monster ?
You have given me an idea for stock piling powder. ;) Buy a 50 cal, fill as many doppies as you are allowed with the powder of your choice and store it in those. I'm sure it will be more than 500g ;D
Quote from: Againstthegrains on Feb 13, 2024, 08:16 AMQuote from: Newton on Feb 01, 2024, 06:02 PMHow long will your legal propellant limit last with this monster ?
You have given me an idea for stock piling powder. ;) Buy a 50 cal, fill as many doppies as you are allowed with the powder of your choice and store it in those. I'm sure it will be more than 500g ;D
Someone whispered to me that there is a limit to the number of loaded rounds you are allowed ?
Perhaps this does not apply to .... "dedicated-status" ?
Why not just start your own gun-shop - then you can have as much powder as you need
Perhaps simpler just ask all your buddies - that do not reload to store THEIR limit for you
To use as needed
Many little helpers make the impossible possible
The legal limit is 200 rounds of ammunition. If you have a section 16 licence the limit is increased to how much you can motivate.
5000 rounds of .22LR seem reasonable for someone that shoots 200 rounds per session during practice.
5000 rounds of .50bmg for someone that shoots 100 rounds a year might be difficult to motivate.
Quote from: janfred on Feb 13, 2024, 12:31 PMThe legal limit is 200 rounds of ammunition. If you have a section 16 licence the limit is increased to how much you can motivate.
5000 rounds of .22LR seem reasonable for someone that shoots 200 rounds per session during practice.
5000 rounds of .50bmg for someone that shoots 100 rounds a year might be difficult to motivate.
Unless I've badly misread the act there is no need to motivate for the amount of ammo you may possess if you have dedicated status. As I understand it the 200 round limit is waived on obtaining dedicated status. The propellant limitation is not as it isn't derived from the FCA but rather from the Explosives Act.
Restrictions on possession of ammunition
(1) The holder of a licence to possess a firearm referred to in Chapter 6 may not possess more than 200
cartridges for each firearm in respect of which he or she holds a licence.
(2) The limitation in subsection (1) does not apply to -
(a) a dedicated hunter, dedicated sports person or a professional hunter who holds a licence issued
in terms of this Act or any other holder of a licence issued in terms of this Act authorised by the
Registrar to possess more than 200 cartridges for a firearm in respect of which he or she holds
a licence on good cause shown; or
(b) the holder of a licence to possess a firearm issued in terms of this Act in respect of ammunition
bought and discharged at an accredited shooting range.
Quote from: janfred on Feb 13, 2024, 10:03 PMRestrictions on possession of ammunition
(1) The holder of a licence to possess a firearm referred to in Chapter 6 may not possess more than 200
cartridges for each firearm in respect of which he or she holds a licence.
(2) The limitation in subsection (1) does not apply to -
(a) a dedicated hunter, dedicated sports person or a professional hunter who holds a licence issued
in terms of this Act or any other holder of a licence issued in terms of this Act authorised by the
Registrar to possess more than 200 cartridges for a firearm in respect of which he or she holds
a licence on good cause shown; or
(b) the holder of a licence to possess a firearm issued in terms of this Act in respect of ammunition
bought and discharged at an accredited shooting range.
As I understand it the 'good cause shown' requirement is satisfied by obtaining dedicated status and is in turn further reinforced by obtaining licenses for guns used in the conduct of the dedicated activity.
I'm not aware of a case where any further motivation was required. Two people I know who have had onsite inspections have hundreds of thousands of round between them and have nothing more than lots of money and dedicated status. I have arranged group buys where I've bought 25 cases of shotgun ammunition without issue and immediately after Putin invaded Ukraine I spent close to 20k on primers without anyone batting an eyelid. What am I missing?
Quote from: janfred on Feb 13, 2024, 10:03 PMRestrictions on possession of ammunition
(1) The holder of a licence to possess a firearm referred to in Chapter 6 may not possess more than 200
cartridges for each firearm in respect of which he or she holds a licence.
(2) The limitation in subsection (1) does not apply to -
(a) a dedicated hunter, dedicated sports person or a professional hunter who holds a licence issued
in terms of this Act or any other holder of a licence issued in terms of this Act authorised by the
Registrar to possess more than 200 cartridges for a firearm in respect of which he or she holds
a licence on good cause shown; or
(b) the holder of a licence to possess a firearm issued in terms of this Act in respect of ammunition
bought and discharged at an accredited shooting range.
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And thats it
Quote from: oafpatroll on Feb 14, 2024, 07:49 AMlots of money
I have arranged group buys where I've bought 25 cases of shotgun ammunition without issue and immediately after Putin invaded Ukraine I spent close to 20k on primers without anyone batting an eyelid. What am I missing?
Most fascinating
I had no idea you could walk into a gun-shop and order such a large quantity of primers - or other related ammunition type stuff ?
As I understand propellant is another story
and
THERE is the catch
What is the legal penalty for having "too much" powder ?
Contravention of the Explosives Act
Cannot see any exemption as firearm propellant is not like - blasting explosives ( dynamite / nitro-glycerine / ANFO etc etc )
Quote from: Newton on Feb 16, 2024, 10:40 AMCannot see any exemption as firearm propellant is not like - blasting explosives ( dynamite / nitro-glycerine / ANFO etc etc )
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very much like blasting explosives ( dynamite / nitro-glycerine / ANFO, if used correctly. Over the shelf proppellant is one of the go to's used by the ATM blasting guys, black powder as well.
Quote from: Treeman on Feb 16, 2024, 11:49 AMQuote from: Newton on Feb 16, 2024, 10:40 AMCannot see any exemption as firearm propellant is not like - blasting explosives ( dynamite / nitro-glycerine / ANFO etc etc )
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very much like blasting explosives ( dynamite / nitro-glycerine / ANFO, if used correctly. Over the shelf proppellant is one of the go to's used by the ATM blasting guys, black powder as well.
Are you saying the atm crackers are using nitro small arms propellant to open ATMs? That sounds like a lot of work to go to considering how easy mining explosives are to get hold of.
Around 10 years ago, I spoke to a SAPS member who was involved in ballistic testing for handed in firearms.
At the time, he was of the opinion that due to the layoffs going on in the mines, it was only a matter of time before there was an uptick in crimes committed with explosives.
A lot of out of job miners know how to rig explosives, and there are a lot of explosives lying around in unsecured locations.
Indeed. There's an entire industry of illegal mining that runs on the stuff.