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Reloading => Reloading Methodology => Topic started by: Ds J on Aug 20, 2024, 10:02 AM

Title: Hoe werk geweerkruit?
Post by: Ds J on Aug 20, 2024, 10:02 AM
Hoe werk geweerkruit?

Ek verstaan 'n fyn, dun korreltjie (MS 200 / MP200 / S221) wat vinnig ontbrand vir n handwapen. Net so verstaan ek n groter, growwe korrel (S365 / S385) in 'n groot dop.

Waarom gebruik n mens dan S365 in 'n 243? Hoër druk, of wat?
Title: Re: Hoe werk geweerkruit?
Post by: janfred on Aug 20, 2024, 12:24 PM
Dieselfde druk vir 'n langer tydperk.
Title: Re: Hoe werk geweerkruit?
Post by: Ds J on Aug 20, 2024, 12:38 PM
Quote from: janfred on Aug 20, 2024, 12:24 PMDieselfde druk vir 'n langer tydperk.
Baie dankie!

Dit beteken dat die ongebrande kruit net uitblaas as die kruit te stadig ontbrand?
Title: Re: Hoe werk geweerkruit?
Post by: Tripodmvr on Aug 20, 2024, 03:17 PM
Die ideale dryfmiddel - onmiddelik optimum druk en dit word volgehou tot voor by die loop. In werklikheid neem die druk vinnig toe en dan verminder dit geleidelik. Ongebrande dryfmiddel is weens die keuse van 'n te stadige dryfmiddel. Soms word mens gedwing om baldryfmiddels te gebruik weens te hoë dopvulling. Prestasie van die kombinasie kan egter nog baie goed wees.
Title: Re: Hoe werk geweerkruit?
Post by: Treeman on Aug 20, 2024, 07:02 PM
I really like using Ball Propellants, but they seem to be less reliable in a few ways. I wish Somchem released a short cut granular propellant.
Title: Re: Hoe werk geweerkruit?
Post by: Ds J on Aug 20, 2024, 07:54 PM
Quote from: Tripodmvr on Aug 20, 2024, 03:17 PMDie ideale dryfmiddel - onmiddelik optimum druk en dit word volgehou tot voor by die loop. In werklikheid neem die druk vinnig toe en dan verminder dit geleidelik. Ongebrande dryfmiddel is weens die keuse van 'n te stadige dryfmiddel. Soms word mens gedwing om baldryfmiddels te gebruik weens te hoë dopvulling. Prestasie van die kombinasie kan egter nog baie goed wees.

Sal 'n hoër lading die ontbranding verbeter, of moet 'n mens eerder 'n vinniger kruit gebruik?
Title: Re: Hoe werk geweerkruit?
Post by: Ds J on Aug 20, 2024, 07:56 PM
Quote from: Treeman on Aug 20, 2024, 07:02 PMI really like using Ball Propellants, but they seem to be less reliable in a few ways. I wish Somchem released a short cut granular propellant.

Extruded = stafies (S335)

Ball = balletjies/korrels (S321)

Granular = vlokkies / blokkies?
Title: Re: Hoe werk geweerkruit?
Post by: oafpatroll on Aug 20, 2024, 08:17 PM
Quote from: Ds J on Aug 20, 2024, 07:56 PM
Quote from: Treeman on Aug 20, 2024, 07:02 PMI really like using Ball Propellants, but they seem to be less reliable in a few ways. I wish Somchem released a short cut granular propellant.

Extruded = stafies (S335)

Ball = balletjies/korrels (S321)

Granular = vlokkies / blokkies?

Extruded can be cut to different lengths with the shorter end of the scale being what I would consider 'granular. The vlokkies/flake would be an MS200 kind of thing, i.e little papery disks that don't meter well in a powder measure.
Title: Re: Hoe werk geweerkruit?
Post by: Ds J on Aug 20, 2024, 09:02 PM
What would "short cut granular" be?
Title: Re: Hoe werk geweerkruit?
Post by: Treeman on Aug 20, 2024, 09:55 PM
Quote from: Ds J on Aug 20, 2024, 09:02 PMWhat would "short cut granular" be?
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Sorry mate that should have read - Short cut extruded, I am so used to calling it flake - ball and granular  ;D
Title: Re: Hoe werk geweerkruit?
Post by: Ds J on Aug 21, 2024, 06:28 AM
Do you want something between S265 and S335?
Title: Re: Hoe werk geweerkruit?
Post by: Tripodmvr on Aug 21, 2024, 09:39 AM
IMR 7828 SSC (Super short cut)

Title: Re: Hoe werk geweerkruit?
Post by: Treeman on Aug 21, 2024, 07:03 PM
Quote from: Tripodmvr on Aug 21, 2024, 09:39 AMIMR 7828 SSC (Super short cut)
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Yes, thats the one.
Title: Re: Hoe werk geweerkruit?
Post by: Againstthegrains on Aug 21, 2024, 08:11 PM
Quote from: Treeman on Aug 20, 2024, 07:02 PMI really like using Ball Propellants, but they seem to be less reliable in a few ways. I wish Somchem released a short cut granular propellant.
Get one of those little coffee grinders and some S365, and let me know how it goes ;)
Title: Re: Hoe werk geweerkruit?
Post by: Againstthegrains on Aug 21, 2024, 08:16 PM
Quote from: Ds J on Aug 20, 2024, 10:02 AMHoe werk geweerkruit?

Ek verstaan 'n fyn, dun korreltjie (MS 200 / MP200 / S221) wat vinnig ontbrand vir n handwapen. Net so verstaan ek n groter, growwe korrel (S365 / S385) in 'n groot dop.

Waarom gebruik n mens dan S365 in 'n 243? Hoër druk, of wat?

What is also important is the ratio between case volume and caliber. A big case with a wide neck will require a faster powder, compared to the same case necked down. eg S335 is great in a 308 win, but S365 works better in .243 win.
Title: Re: Hoe werk geweerkruit?
Post by: Ds J on Aug 21, 2024, 10:35 PM
Thanks a lot Folks!

I makes much more sense.
Title: Re: Hoe werk geweerkruit?
Post by: Newton on Sep 01, 2024, 03:50 PM
Quote from: Againstthegrains on Aug 21, 2024, 08:16 PMWhat is also important is the ratio between case volume and caliber. A big case with a wide neck will require a faster powder, compared to the same case necked down. eg S335 is great in a 308 win, but S365 works better in .243 win.
You will be surprised at how much difference small changes in a case dimensions and capacity can make
Why some powders do better in certain cartridge cases
QuickLOAD will indicate this when doing simulations

Have a look at what the powder column in early 458 Winchester rounds looked like

Title: Re: Hoe werk geweerkruit?
Post by: Againstthegrains on Sep 19, 2024, 07:09 PM
Quote from: Newton on Sep 01, 2024, 03:50 PM
Quote from: Againstthegrains on Aug 21, 2024, 08:16 PMWhat is also important is the ratio between case volume and caliber. A big case with a wide neck will require a faster powder, compared to the same case necked down. eg S335 is great in a 308 win, but S365 works better in .243 win.
You will be surprised at how much difference small changes in a case dimensions and capacity can make
Why some powders do better in certain cartridge cases
QuickLOAD will indicate this when doing simulations

Have a look at what the powder column in early 458 Winchester rounds looked like



I lapped the bolt face of my 204Ruger. I must have taken off less than 0.1mm, and this was enough of an increase in head space (case capacity) to completely throw off my load. I had to add another 0.2gr to get the load back on track.
Title: Re: Hoe werk geweerkruit?
Post by: Treeman on Sep 19, 2024, 09:49 PM
Quote from: Againstthegrains on Sep 19, 2024, 07:09 PM
Quote from: Newton on Sep 01, 2024, 03:50 PM
Quote from: Againstthegrains on Aug 21, 2024, 08:16 PMWhat is also important is the ratio between case volume and caliber. A big case with a wide neck will require a faster powder, compared to the same case necked down. eg S335 is great in a 308 win, but S365 works better in .243 win.
You will be surprised at how much difference small changes in a case dimensions and capacity can make
Why some powders do better in certain cartridge cases
QuickLOAD will indicate this when doing simulations
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I think you removed more than you think, or there was some other factor involved.

Have a look at what the powder column in early 458 Winchester rounds looked like



I lapped the bolt face of my 204Ruger. I must have taken off less than 0.1mm, and this was enough of an increase in head space (case capacity) to completely throw off my load. I had to add another 0.2gr to get the load back on track.