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Title: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: Ds J on Dec 20, 2024, 05:11 AM
Enkele vrae oor jagtegniek:
- Hoe loop 'n mens saggies in die veld?
- Wanneer raas jy te veel?
- Wat gee die jagter weg?

Ek verkies om kaalvoet te jag. Dis bitter moeilik, maar by verre die sagste. En dit is natuurlik stadig.

Stewels raas, ek verkies ou vellies of tekkies as dit vinniger moet gaan.

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How does one keep the noise down when hunting afoot? What gives you away?
I prefer hunting barefoot, but that is slow. Otherwise old vellies or tekkies. Boots are loud.
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: Treeman on Dec 20, 2024, 08:00 AM
Unless you stalking bushbuck, hunting by bow in the forest it actually seldom matters if you make a bit of walking sound. Hunting with a rifle usually means you shooting further than footsteps travel.
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: Ds J on Dec 20, 2024, 10:17 AM
It means you mostly hunt by sight, and by limiting your own visibility to animals?
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: big5ifty on Dec 20, 2024, 11:08 AM
There used to be hunting boots made with soft soles for bowhunters.

It feels like you're wearing slippers, not boots, and there is a lot of tactile feedback through the sole, more than with takkies.

Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: Ds J on Dec 20, 2024, 11:18 AM
One thing which bugged us as young hunters is how the local guides would somehow make a ruckus whilst walking, yet could also slip around like shadows when we came close to animals. Same person, same outfit, same day, but two different modes.

I started hunting by hearing a while back, when I out alone. Walk ten yards, stand ten seconds, repeat. It opens a whole new dimension of the field simply because one doesn't make noise.
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: oafpatroll on Dec 20, 2024, 01:15 PM
A mate of mine wears rock climbing shoes when hunting. Has a very thin, pliable and super grippy sole
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: Treeman on Dec 20, 2024, 06:49 PM
Quote from: Ds J on Dec 20, 2024, 11:18 AMOne thing which bugged us as young hunters is how the local guides would somehow make a ruckus whilst walking, yet could also slip around like shadows when we came close to animals. Same person, same outfit, same day, but two different modes.

I started hunting by hearing a while back, when I out alone. Walk ten yards, stand ten seconds, repeat. It opens a whole new dimension of the field simply because one doesn't make noise.

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 A bloke I know told me how many animals, especially hog and kudu he has found by listening. That got me more aware, it is actually surprising how much news  kudu especially make IF THEY do not know you are there. But like DsJ said the two modes the farm workers have, that same kudu just audibly disappears the split second it suspects anything.
Kudu in rocky areas have never heard of 'silent" Kudu in the kloofs often die because of the noise they make.   
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: janfred on Dec 21, 2024, 03:16 AM
I also get the idea that the shine off binocular lenses might be a danger sign to animals.
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: Ds J on Dec 21, 2024, 08:27 AM
What about "breaking the lines" ie - concealing the visible outer lines of the humam body?

My brother and I once did a test where I walked behind him, bent-over, with my head on his lower back. We walked over open field to 60m of a herd of eland.

Another time, my brother put in a guilie suit and stood still next to a dam. The animals smelled him, but stood next to him to drink.
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: Tripodmvr on Dec 21, 2024, 10:56 AM
any of you tried hunting by hiding behind an umbrella?
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: Ds J on Dec 21, 2024, 12:30 PM
Quote from: Tripodmvr on Dec 21, 2024, 10:56 AMany of you tried hunting by hiding behind an umbrella?

Pictures ... ??  ;)
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: Tripodmvr on Dec 21, 2024, 01:31 PM
I am trying to find a video or pictures. None so far. I think such a picture might have been in a Magnum of long ago.
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: Tripodmvr on Dec 21, 2024, 01:36 PM
Comment on Alaska Outdoors Supersite in 2009.

OK, watching TV and this guide is hunting buffalo behind a dark umbrella (actually dark purple) to use as cover to move across fields. Would this work on large game up north? Neat trick as they got real close to a herd. Maybe a camouflage umbrella would work better even?
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: Tripodmvr on Dec 21, 2024, 01:40 PM

BC Outdoors story.

I was fortunate to have co-invented an umbrella with a silhouette of different animals on it to help me get close. I had experimented with my umbrella invention and first covered a golf umbrella in white cloth. I used to walk up to herds of mule deer in open country and get as close as 50 yards before a single doe would take the whole herd away. Then I took a Montana decoy of a side-view deer and sewed it onto the white covered umbrella and, lo and behold, I was able to get within 30 yards or closer to the same herd, weeks later. My umbrella stuck in the ground and you could shoot over it or beside it. I had sold a few with some great testimonials of successful hunts using my umbrella, including a wheelchair-bound hunter who hunted off a quad and he used the umbrella decoy of an elk to hide the quad that he was sitting on and he successfully shot an elk off the ATV, calling the elk to 50 yards. I do know that decoys work well. You can check out my website for some videos of the umbrella in use.
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: Treeman on Dec 21, 2024, 11:39 PM
Quote from: Tripodmvr on Dec 21, 2024, 10:56 AMany of you tried hunting by hiding behind an umbrella?
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Dude, I have never posted about it because no one will believe you just how crazy well it works. I must take a pick of Cody my umbrella, we use it on fence lines. I took a old beach umbrella, used old paints thinned down to make a messy colour which a mashed all over it, it was then later just left on back of bakkie with dead animals and got all stained and dirty.
This umbrella has shot a 100 head of game, from jackal, lynx to kudu and springbuck. 
If we sleeping over at a hunt spot, we leave it at a BEST shoot, but hard to hide spot, sommer there in the middle of no where in the open till day 2 or 3 of hunt. Man its almost like cheating.
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: Ds J on Dec 22, 2024, 07:43 AM
The umbrella is a stationary hunting  device, basically a blind?
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: Tripodmvr on Dec 22, 2024, 12:51 PM
I think that is what TMan is referring to. The action I have seen in a video entails the party of hunters walking in line behind the guide holding the umbrella in front of him.
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: Treeman on Dec 22, 2024, 01:58 PM
Quote from: Tripodmvr on Dec 22, 2024, 12:51 PMI think that is what TMan is referring to. The action I have seen in a video entails the party of hunters walking in line behind the guide holding the umbrella in front of him.
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Cody and I have basically done both, but stationary mainly. We have reduced range by moving in closer behind the umbrella as well.
We have mainly used it to be in a spot where game come to or by, but there is no viable shooting position, we then sit behind it and shoot through viewing holes. It was mostly used along fence lines where there are 20 holes in fence we would then find cover from one side and use umbrella as cover in other direction, usually position including further shots. We would then just move closer along fence behind umbrella if a further hole became active or shoot from position if closer hole. I once shot a Warthog by putting barrel where I wanted to shoot because I could not aim it was so close.
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: Againstthegrains on Dec 22, 2024, 10:04 PM
Quote from: oafpatroll on Dec 20, 2024, 01:15 PMA mate of mine wears rock climbing shoes when hunting. Has a very thin, pliable and super grippy sole

He must be pulling your leg.... I have climbed most of my adult life, and own about 5 pairs, and they are the most uncomfortable shoes in the world. They are designed to crunch your toes up.

I'd rather go barefoot than walk in climbing shoes :o
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: Againstthegrains on Dec 22, 2024, 10:13 PM
What you guys are forgetting, is that the most important thing when it comes to noise, is wind.

Sound travels well with the wind, and distorts terribly, against the wind. Also, wind creates a whole lot of white noise, that reduces sound definition.

That is why I dread going hunting on wind still days. The animals can hear you from miles, with excellent definition. On windy days you have better chances of stalking closer.

On the subject of foot ware, I used to use a pair of thin soled vellies, until I got a massive Acacia karoo thorn through the sole of my shoe. It pegged my foot into the shoe via the sole. I had to snap the thorn off in my foot to get the shoe off. And then limp back to the lodge to get it removed from deep inside my foot.
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: Treeman on Dec 22, 2024, 11:05 PM
Also, wind creates a whole lot of white noise, that reduces sound definition.
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Yes yes yes
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: JamesNotBond on Dec 22, 2024, 11:09 PM
I have lived in England more than half of my life, but I never forgot that you always where boots in the Eastern cape bush. 
Againstthegrains, what ever were you thinking?
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: oafpatroll on Dec 23, 2024, 09:22 AM
Quote from: Againstthegrains on Dec 22, 2024, 10:04 PM
Quote from: oafpatroll on Dec 20, 2024, 01:15 PMA mate of mine wears rock climbing shoes when hunting. Has a very thin, pliable and super grippy sole

He must be pulling your leg.... I have climbed most of my adult life, and own about 5 pairs, and they are the most uncomfortable shoes in the world. They are designed to crunch your toes up.

I'd rather go barefoot than walk in climbing shoes :o

He's not a climber and neither am I so perhaps the shoes aren't what he thinks they are. Whatever they are intended for they are very lightweight high tops with a very thin and pliable flat sole.
Title: Re: Sag loop in de veld?
Post by: Treeman on Dec 23, 2024, 09:04 PM
The famous hide behind, 2nd one - this is about 10 years old. Its colour is mainly dried blood that kinda somehow got on it while transporting after a hunt.
See the shooting viewing port ?
 What actually got me going on the umbrella thing was that Cody did everything with me, even if he was asleep while doing it. So at 6 - 7 years old he would often drag a toy along on the hunt. n
Not being able to keep still had cost me a few shots, and things had been said sworn which were really not fair. I tried the umbrella and Cody was so much  happier during the long sits. We would eat, drink, play silly games with stones even have naps behind that umbrella. Shot many, many W/Hog from that on pavement pick up that someone threw out.
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