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Title: Promising pigeon numbers this season in Gauteng & Freestate
Post by: oafpatroll on Mar 29, 2025, 09:57 PM
I shot on sunflower fields near Parys today and last Saturday and the numbers of birds has been promising. Over the last five or so years of shooting south and west of JHB and around Kroonstad there's been a marked decrease in numbers. In years before that I'd take more than one case of shells out even on a day shoot and last year I shot less that a case on pigeon and game birds combined. On our annual Kroonstad walkup shoot I fired 7 rounds in 2 days last year as there were very few birds. Here's to hoping that my MEC press is going to have its legs stretched!
Title: Re: Promising pigeon numbers this season in Gauteng & Freestate
Post by: Treeman on Mar 31, 2025, 01:18 PM
Do these birds have a lot of hunting pressure ?
Title: Re: Promising pigeon numbers this season in Gauteng & Freestate
Post by: oafpatroll on Mar 31, 2025, 02:38 PM
In the time and areas I've been doing it I'd say shooter numbers have fallen off significantly so if anything the decline in bird numbers has been in spite of reduced hunting pressure.
Title: Re: Promising pigeon numbers this season in Gauteng & Freestate
Post by: Treeman on Apr 02, 2025, 08:18 AM
Quote from: oafpatroll on Mar 31, 2025, 02:38 PMIn the time and areas I've been doing it I'd say shooter numbers have fallen off significantly so if anything the decline in bird numbers has been in spite of reduced hunting pressure.
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A natural flux then ?
I see the Guinea Fowl in the Cape are on a high again, there were just a few flocks of 3 - 5 animals 5 years ago, now the average is 9 - 11 birds with 50 + flocks seen again on the farms.
Title: Re: Promising pigeon numbers this season in Gauteng & Freestate
Post by: Ds J on Apr 02, 2025, 08:59 AM
Maybe due to a combination of good rains and less shooting?

Some of the wing shooters in our area are actively supporting the breeding of guinea fowl with feed and water points.
Title: Re: Promising pigeon numbers this season in Gauteng & Freestate
Post by: oafpatroll on Apr 02, 2025, 09:13 AM
Quote from: Treeman on Apr 02, 2025, 08:18 AMA natural flux then ?
I see the Guinea Fowl in the Cape are on a high again, there were just a few flocks of 3 - 5 animals 5 years ago, now the average is 9 - 11 birds with 50 + flocks seen again on the farms.

I've no idea what's driven it and would love to understand it better. I'd assumed it was something environmental along the lines of the huge reduction in insects I've seen in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Promising pigeon numbers this season in Gauteng & Freestate
Post by: oafpatroll on Apr 02, 2025, 09:18 AM
Quote from: Ds J on Apr 02, 2025, 08:59 AMMaybe due to a combination of good rains and less shooting?

I'm sure the rain must be a factor as it's heavier and more consistent than it's been in years. As far as the pigeons go my observation is that there are far fewer (probably half) shooters than ten years ago. I'm a sample of one and shoot a relatively small area, i.e. 100km S+W of JHB, so this may be different elsewhere. 
Title: Re: Promising pigeon numbers this season in Gauteng & Freestate
Post by: JamesNotBond on Apr 03, 2025, 06:04 PM
The Guinea Fowl In Port Elizabeth are perhaps 3 x more than 2 or 3 years ago. The same goes for the Egyptian Geese.
Title: Re: Promising pigeon numbers this season in Gauteng & Freestate
Post by: oafpatroll on Apr 03, 2025, 06:25 PM
Quote from: JamesNotBond on Apr 03, 2025, 06:04 PMThe Guinea Fowl In Port Elizabeth are perhaps 3 x more than 2 or 3 years ago. The same goes for the Egyptian Geese.

Good to hear. I'm very much hoping that when I go walkup shooting in the Freestate soon the same is true there.
Title: Re: Promising pigeon numbers this season in Gauteng & Freestate
Post by: Tripodmvr on Apr 05, 2025, 07:00 PM
Spoke to a friend of mine that farms on the OFS side of the Vaal close to the Barrage. He feels that game bird numbers are lower than usual. In my travels around the Vaal Triangle area I agree with his observations.
Title: Re: Promising pigeon numbers this season in Gauteng & Freestate
Post by: Treeman on Apr 08, 2025, 09:00 AM
Quote from: Tripodmvr on Apr 05, 2025, 07:00 PMSpoke to a friend of mine that farms on the OFS side of the Vaal close to the Barrage. He feels that game bird numbers are lower than usual. In my travels around the Vaal Triangle area I agree with his observations.
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I was amazed at the impact Vervet monkeys have on bird life, I once watched them work a area looking for food. I saw how every branch, stone and piece of wood was lifted, checked, they miss very little when they work an area over.
A game farmer put me at a look out when I asked why he had only adult Guinea fowl, no chicks ? The answer was obvious - too many Vervet monkeys.
Title: Re: Promising pigeon numbers this season in Gauteng & Freestate
Post by: Tripodmvr on Apr 08, 2025, 03:40 PM
Vervets eat the bird eggs. The farmers near Jansenville hate them with a passion.
Title: Re: Promising pigeon numbers this season in Gauteng & Freestate
Post by: Treeman on Apr 09, 2025, 09:41 AM
Quote from: Tripodmvr on Apr 08, 2025, 03:40 PMVervets eat the bird eggs. The farmers near Jansenville hate them with a passion.
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The area I was in when shown the results of their activity.
Title: Re: Promising pigeon numbers this season in Gauteng & Freestate
Post by: oafpatroll on Apr 09, 2025, 09:51 AM
Re the reduction in the numbers of game birds in the Kroonstad area, in discussing it with a mate he suggested that it was at least in part due to the number of farms that have been converted from crops to game farming in the last decade or so. That sounds plausible to me.