Negligent discharges ...

[Ds J]

Neglident discharges - how often do they occur?

Not the "I played around and oops ..." type, but truly accidents which occurred due to an honest mistake, or something similar?

I know that the basics are very simple: keep the booger hook off the bang switch, yet accidents occur.

Hence the question: how, and how often?

[janfred]

Well, I know someone that carried a CZ75 pre-B at 4 o'clock position in a proper kydex holster made for a CZ75. Apparently his dog jumped up and its paw hooked on the hammer spur pulling it back, but not far enough to cock it. It was enough to fire the one-up cartridge and shoot through his ass cheek.

I was sceptical at first until I tried to duplicate it at the shooting range. Well, there is a very good reason for a firing pin block on subsequent models. And a good reason not to carry a pre-B unless absolutely essential.

[oafpatroll]

I knew a guy who carried a 38 snub in one of those flimsy suede IWB clip on holsters. He drove a beach buggy and one day on sliding down into the bucket seat the trigger got dragged back by the vinyl seat cover and he got shot through his butt cheek.

Also know someone who shot himself while showing off his new pistol at a braai. He put a round through his weak hand, apparently while stuffing it back in its holster.

[oafpatroll]

I was sceptical at first until I tried to duplicate it at the shooting range. Well, there is a very good reason for a firing pin block on subsequent models. And a good reason not to carry a pre-B unless absolutely essential.

A pre-B is far better carried cocked with the safety engaged. Getting it into a ready state in DA is an inherently dangerous procedure on its own. I'd hazard a guess that more NDs have happened doing that than due to the lack of a firing pin block.

[Tripodmvr]

Well, I know someone that carried a CZ75 pre-B at 4 o'clock position in a proper kydex holster made for a CZ75. Apparently his dog jumped up and its paw hooked on the hammer spur pulling it back, but not far enough to cock it. It was enough to fire the one-up cartridge and shoot through his ass cheek.

I was sceptical at first until I tried to duplicate it at the shooting range. Well, there is a very good reason for a firing pin block on subsequent models. And a good reason not to carry a pre-B unless absolutely essential.

I know of a friend who carried his CZ75 in a groin position and shot himself through his John Thomas. This happened whilst walking.

[janfred]

I was sceptical at first until I tried to duplicate it at the shooting range. Well, there is a very good reason for a firing pin block on subsequent models. And a good reason not to carry a pre-B unless absolutely essential.

A pre-B is far better carried cocked with the safety engaged. Getting it into a ready state in DA is an inherently dangerous procedure on its own. I'd hazard a guess that more NDs have happened doing that than due to the lack of a firing pin block.

Not quite sure what you mean "getting it into a ready state in DA". Just like any other SA/DA pistol, it is already ready. Just pull the trigger. Am I missing something?

And yes, carrying cocked and safety on is probably safer. Hell, cocked with safety off is not that much worse than a SA only pistol, provided you keep the trigger covered.

[oafpatroll]

I was sceptical at first until I tried to duplicate it at the shooting range. Well, there is a very good reason for a firing pin block on subsequent models. And a good reason not to carry a pre-B unless absolutely essential.

A pre-B is far better carried cocked with the safety engaged. Getting it into a ready state in DA is an inherently dangerous procedure on its own. I'd hazard a guess that more NDs have happened doing that than due to the lack of a firing pin block.

Not quite sure what you mean "getting it into a ready state in DA". Just like any other SA/DA pistol, it is already ready. Just pull the trigger. Am I missing something?

And yes, carrying cocked and safety on is probably safer. Hell, cocked with safety off is not that much worse than a SA only pistol, provided you keep the trigger covered.

I meant with a round chambered and the hammer down such that it's ready to fire with a DA trigger pull. To achieve that with a pre-B (or any non decocker 75) you have to control the hammer down while pulling the trigger. That's an inherently risky thing to do before you get to the problems associated with the lack of a firing pin block.

I happily carry my pre-B sports gun 'cocked and locked' but you couldn't pay me enough to do so with it either cocked and unlocked or hammer down with a round chambered.

[janfred]

That is probably true of most DA/SA pistols not fitted with a decocker.

[oafpatroll]

That is probably true of most DA/SA pistols not fitted with a decocker.

Indeed and as such I wouldn't be comfortable doing it with any of them.

[big5ifty]

An old Star 9mmP. One up, hammer down. Going to bed one morning after night shift, dropped pants with pistol in holster on belt, hole in the wall behind me.

[oafpatroll]

An old Star 9mmP. One up, hammer down. Going to bed one morning after night shift, dropped pants with pistol in holster on belt, hole in the wall behind me.

If you were a cat you'd have been down to 8 lives there!

I bumped my loaded and decocked P07 off the 2.5m high top shelf of a built in cupboard and when it hit the tiled floor and didn't discharge I fell deeply in love with firing pin blocks.

[Tripodmvr]

Not only pistols have AD's

https://youtu.be/hzqJ78sGIPk

[Tripodmvr]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QhlLrUdT2Zk?feature=share

[oafpatroll]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QhlLrUdT2Zk?feature=share

This SIG thing is doing my head in. Millions of dollars awarded to people who have shot themselves without a hint of evidence that 320's are possessed of a magical ability to fire themselves. Not talking of the drop safety issue early on which was the subject of a general recall. 

[Tripodmvr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuB1QPkg8QA