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I am open to all and any suggestions
Cup and core / bonded / mono-metal / hybrid
Plains game from Springbuck /Impala / Blesbuck to Eland
One bullet for all ?
Please voice your suggestions and opinions
What would you suggest as the most suitable for this round for hunting - in various scenarios
I however think that we can discount short range bush-veld ?
I only use copper bullets to hunt with. I would then suggest a 165-175gr bullet from local producers like Kriek, Balistix or similar.
Spoor 180gr would be perfect. Copper shaft with lead insert in front. BC would be lower than with the other mono bullets.
Spoor 180gr would be perfect. Copper shaft with lead insert in front. BC would be lower than with the other mono bullets.
Can it .. reach-out
and
Touch a Kudu at 400m
?
What is the long range performance like ?
Not that I plan to intentionally shoot any living thing at long range ..sometimes it may however be necessary
( to stop the enemy .. in Self-Defence )
;) :)
One US company makes a bullet for high speed calibres. It has a thicker cup and a thinner lead section.
I thought it was Remington or Sierra, but couldn't find it yesterday.
Perhaps this one ... ?
30 CAL 180 GR TIPPED GAMEKING (TGK) (Optimized for .300 WIN MAG)
This MATCHKing also looks interesting .. although not a hunting bullet
My take on this: Its HUNTING not long distance shooting.
The furthest one is going to shoot out to is max 400m. At that distance you are already aiming off the animal and drifting it in.
Please, I beg you all to know your limitations. Go to the range, put a heart size target up at 400m and see if you can hit it first shot without bean bags and a bench rest set up, and without having to re-adjust for wind and elevation.
Most hunters will miss on the first shot, so any talk about BC is a waste of time because it does not come into play at the distance they are able to hunt at without wounding.
You really have a lot of choices. If you are going to go cup and core, then you have to go really heavy to slow it down, so it doesn't disintegrate.
If flat shooting is the goal, going slow and heavy negates the reason of having a 300 win mag, because a 120 grain bullet kills almost any game as well as 200gr bullet.
So if flat shooting is the goal, then you should be going to lighter bullets.
We are hunting, so cost is secondary. A handful of expensive hunting bullets is not a big deal relative the thousands you pay for a hunt.
Your options:
My first choice would be a 165gr Barnes TSX or TTSX (lead free, reliable expansion, good pass through)
My second choice is something bonded, local Spoor or Rhino, or the imported Interbond or Accubond, A-frame.
The local monos, will work, Peregrine, Ballistix, Viper etc are good with respect to pass through and accuracy, but the expansion is not as good as a Barnes or a soft lead point. The local bullets are turned rather than pressed, so the tip doesn't peel back like Barnes.
My take on this: Its HUNTING not long distance shooting.
The furthest one is going to shoot out to is max 400m. At that distance you are already aiming off the animal and drifting it in.
Please, I beg you all to know your limitations. Go to the range, put a heart size target up at 400m and see if you can hit it first shot without bean bags and a bench rest set up, and without having to re-adjust for wind and elevation.
Most hunters will miss on the first shot, so any talk about BC is a waste of time because it does not come into play at the distance they are able to hunt at without wounding.
You really have a lot of choices. If you are going to go cup and core, then you have to go really heavy to slow it down, so it doesn't disintegrate.
If flat shooting is the goal, going slow and heavy negates the reason of having a 300 win mag, because a 120 grain bullet kills almost any game as well as 200gr bullet.
So if flat shooting is the goal, then you should be going to lighter bullets.
We are hunting, so cost is secondary. A handful of expensive hunting bullets is not a big deal relative the thousands you pay for a hunt.
Your options:
My first choice would be a 165gr Barnes TSX or TTSX (lead free, reliable expansion, good pass through)
My second choice is something bonded, local Spoor or Rhino, or the imported Interbond or Accubond, A-frame.The local monos, will work, Peregrine, Ballistix, Viper etc are good with respect to pass through and accuracy, but the expansion is not as good as a Barnes or a soft lead point. The local bullets are turned rather than pressed, so the tip doesn't peel back like Barnes.
Thank you for your input
Agree 100% the need to get close - and practise - using aids
But you still need to practise - with those expensive hunting bullets ...
Going to read more into the choices you mentioned -
I do however think that about 170 ( in mono-metal ) and 180 -190 correct weight for 300WM - although some think that 200 - 220 are more appropriate - for large game animals.
Your options:
My first choice would be a 165gr Barnes TSX or TTSX (lead free, reliable expansion, good pass through)
My second choice is something bonded, local Spoor or Rhino, or the imported Interbond or Accubond, A-frame.The local monos, will work, Peregrine, Ballistix, Viper etc are good with respect to pass through and accuracy, but the expansion is not as good as a Barnes or a soft lead point. The local bullets are turned rather than pressed, so the tip doesn't peel back like Barnes.
Are Rhino bullets still in operation ?
Cannot find any info for them ?
Your options:
My first choice would be a 165gr Barnes TSX or TTSX (lead free, reliable expansion, good pass through)
My second choice is something bonded, local Spoor or Rhino, or the imported Interbond or Accubond, A-frame.The local monos, will work, Peregrine, Ballistix, Viper etc are good with respect to pass through and accuracy, but the expansion is not as good as a Barnes or a soft lead point. The local bullets are turned rather than pressed, so the tip doesn't peel back like Barnes.
Are Rhino bullets still in operation ?
Cannot find any info for them ?
Looks like their South African website is down.
I think you can still buy them from here. .
https://www.xxlreloading.com/bullet-manufacturer/rhino-bullets-load-data
Thanks
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Your options:
My first choice would be a 165gr Barnes TSX or TTSX (lead free, reliable expansion, good pass through)
My second choice is something bonded, local Spoor or Rhino, or the imported Interbond or Accubond, A-frame.The local monos, will work, Peregrine, Ballistix, Viper etc are good with respect to pass through and accuracy, but the expansion is not as good as a Barnes or a soft lead point. The local bullets are turned rather than pressed, so the tip doesn't peel back like Barnes.
Are Rhino bullets still in operation ?
Cannot find any info for them ?Looks like their South African website is down.
As well as their Facebook
Your options:
My first choice would be a 165gr Barnes TSX or TTSX (lead free, reliable expansion, good pass through)
My second choice is something bonded, local Spoor or Rhino, or the imported Interbond or Accubond, A-frame.The local monos, will work, Peregrine, Ballistix, Viper etc are good with respect to pass through and accuracy, but the expansion is not as good as a Barnes or a soft lead point. The local bullets are turned rather than pressed, so the tip doesn't peel back like Barnes.
Are Rhino bullets still in operation ?
Cannot find any info for them ?Looks like their South African website is down.
As well as their Facebook
I know Rhino's are endangered, but this getting rediculous ;D
There is an email address when you search rhino bullets. There website is down however. Rather look at SBC bullets as they are similar and have a proven record.
Or here.
I had a quick look .. NO 308 180gr shown ?
Spoke to someone the other day who does still get Rhino bullets
Apparently there is a "special" email address you write to and the bullets get delivered
Seems a bit .. cloak and dagger if you are not a retail dealer ( or even wholesaler ? )
I have been present where a kudu cow was shot with a Penetrator bullet from a 270. Walked behind it for about 2 to 3 hours and it got dark. Carcass (all chewed up) was found next day 50m from where we had stopped.
A bullet like the Rhino solid shank (Spoor is similar) is a much better bet. Then 165gr will be adequate for all hunting up to eland.
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