New SOCOM sniper rifle

[Newton]

Very interesting , serious , expert discussion

No "blarney" here

[223]

Excellent!

I don't want to find out what that thing costs...

[Treeman]

Is it R100 000 more accurate than an 0.5 MOA Howa owned by Piet at local Long range Club ?  ?

[oafpatroll]

Is it R100 000 more accurate than an 0.5 MOA Howa owned by Piet at local Long range Club ?  ?

Nope but you do get really tacticool stickers and a vinyl velcro patch for you mall ninja costume with it. Would still love to own one if money was no object. 

[Newton]

Is it R100 000 more accurate than an 0.5 MOA Howa owned by Piet at local Long range Club ?  ?

Different applications - Different Worlds
"Piet" may be my guest and take his 0.5 MoA HOWA rifle - assuming it is a 7.62 Nato ( .308 ). Seeing that as far as I know there are no HOWA's chambered in 300 or 338 Norma Magnum ? ( available in South Africa ) - to the terrible places special force snipers go !
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Wish him the best of luck

[oafpatroll]

Many 10s of thousands of head of game taken with Howa working rifles all over this continent have been very satisfied with their performance. I know of one in 300 win mag that lives behind it's owners bakkie seat, looks like it's used to drive fence posts and has accounted for more than 1000 animals for the pot for his farm workers over 15 years. Dolled up in a beige chassis with some high end glass I'd be surprised to find that it would choke in the hands of a person hunter.   

[Treeman]

Is it R100 000 more accurate than an 0.5 MOA Howa owned by Piet at local Long range Club ?  ?

Different applications - Different Worlds
"Piet" may be my guest and take his 0.5 MoA HOWA rifle - assuming it is a 7.62 Nato ( .308 ). Seeing that as far as I know there are no HOWA's chambered in 300 or 338 Norma Magnum ? ( available in South Africa ) - to the terrible places special force snipers go !
and
Wish him the best of luck

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Point taken, heading was Sniper Rifle.

[223]

Is it R100 000 more accurate than an 0.5 MOA Howa owned by Piet at local Long range Club ?  ?

Only R100k?  I would expect that rifle system with scope etc would be sold to the US gubbermunt at around R500 000 each.

[Treeman]

Is it R100 000 more accurate than an 0.5 MOA Howa owned by Piet at local Long range Club ?  ?

Only R100k?  I would expect that rifle system with scope etc would be sold to the US gubbermunt at around R500 000 each.

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I read somewhere once that in the second world war there were about 200 000 rounds fired for every kill.
At R500 000 a rifle + all other expense's, I wander what a kill costs these days.

[Againstthegrains]

I read somewhere once that in the second world war there were about 200 000 rounds fired for every kill.
At R500 000 a rifle + all other expense's, I wander what a kill costs these days.

Forget about light arms, in the Ukraine war, the number of artillery shells used, far exceeds the number of deaths. Its hard to kill soldiers when they are well dug in. It is a stalemate at the moment, because their ratio of casualties is similar on offense and defense, and their cost per casualty for both sides is the same.

Compare that to the Palestinian conflict. The kill ratio is very skew, lots of Palestinians for each Israeli killed (about 1:20), but the cost ratio of kills is ridiculously in favour of the Palestinians. So far Israel has spent USD50 billion. Palestine is using soviet era small arms and home made rockets and Israel is dropping precision weapons from 5th gen fighters. So in that respect, Hamas is winning! If it doesn't end soon, at some stage Israel will either have to accept greater casualties to reduce costs, or inflict ever greater casualties on the Palestinian civilian population to conclude the war.

[223]

Is it R100 000 more accurate than an 0.5 MOA Howa owned by Piet at local Long range Club ?  ?

Only R100k?  I would expect that rifle system with scope etc would be sold to the US gubbermunt at around R500 000 each.

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I read somewhere once that in the second world war there were about 200 000 rounds fired for every kill.
At R500 000 a rifle + all other expense's, I wander what a kill costs these days.

With this kind of toy, and the training of those being issued with them, one would expect more of a "one shot, one kill" type of operational tactic, not the more common "spray and pray" type of approach.

[Newton]

I read somewhere once that in the second world war there were about 200 000 rounds fired for every kill.
At R500 000 a rifle + all other expense's, I wander what a kill costs these days.

Should that kill be one of the few competent first class combat generals - then perhaps .. priceless
Very good snipers are a - force multiplier // and were well represented in the Red Army in WWII