What makes Barnes monos the best

Treeman · Mar 06, 2024, 08:24 PM

Quote from: Ds J on Mar 05, 2024, 02:58 PMHow many sub-optimal shots do the average hunter make? I refer specifically to badly placed shots. Would the Barnes bullet make a difference in such shots? I doubt it, which is why I would not reccomend them for the average hunter.

To compare it to vehicles: is the general driver able to get enough extra performance out of a vehicle to justify a pair of Pirelli tyres? I guess not.

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I would much prefer lead core for forgiveness when shooting a bad shot. Mono is for intentionally taking less than optimal shots, like a PH would have to do on occasion.

Newton · Mar 07, 2024, 09:30 AM

Quote from: Againstthegrains on Feb 26, 2024, 09:25 AMYoH!!!! You are trying to push me down a very deep rabbit hole, that is likely to lead me to divorce!!!!
Out of curiosity, how much does all that equipment work out in cost?

Here is a follow through tutorial on how to make .224 bullets for your .223 Rem
There are nine 9 parts to the tutorial

This was some time ago so I expect there are a lot more updates and upgrades
Core bonded as well as ballistic tips
There are a lot of options and variations ( as explained )

There could be a monetary recovery aspect as well

Againstthegrains · Jun 03, 2025, 09:12 PM

So the other day I was chatting to friend who says the Barnes bullets are different because they swage the tip rather than turn them on a CNC lathe, so I asked Chat GPT if they knew more about the process:

Yes, Barnes TTSX (Tipped Triple-Shock X) bullets are swaged during the manufacturing process.

Here's a breakdown:
Swaging is a process that shapes a bullet by applying high pressure to form it precisely without cutting away material (as in machining).

Barnes uses swaging to form the bullet's shape (ogive, boat tail, etc.) and to ensure consistency and accuracy in dimensions.

After swaging, the bullets are often polished and grooved (as seen in the TTSX), and a polymer tip is inserted to improve ballistic coefficient and initiate expansion.

So, while the TTSX is a solid copper bullet, which might suggest machining, the key shaping is done through precision swaging — not CNC machining.

Treeman · Jun 04, 2025, 08:20 AM

Geeeesssss !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

- imagine the pressures and forces involved in swaging a "not" lead bullet.

Treeman · Jun 04, 2025, 08:24 AM

This was some time ago so I expect there are a lot more updates and upgrades
Core bonded as well as ballistic tips
There are a lot of options and variations ( as explained )
There could be a monetary recovery aspect as well
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These processes allow you to make a object shaped like a bullet, that can actually look like a pretty bullet, but there is so much more to it, so much.
I have looked intothis a few times and even gotten involved with guys that went down the rabbit hole.
Yes you can make out to 50 m accurate bullets, if you proper good, you may even get a 3 inch group at 100 m. These bullets and the process are only fit for survivor, end of times kinda applications.
Been there - tried it.

oafpatroll · Jun 04, 2025, 10:39 AM

I don't think that home DIY swaging would work on copper monos. Almost certain that would require multi-ton presses. SBC bullets are swaged (as far as I know) and they work well out to much further than 50m

Tripodmvr · Jun 04, 2025, 05:08 PM

Quote from: oafpatroll on Jun 04, 2025, 10:39 AMI don't think that home DIY swaging would work on copper monos. Almost certain that would require multi-ton presses. SBC bullets are swaged (as far as I know) and they work well out to much further than 50m

SBC are CNC manufactured base with bonded lead front. Got that from the owner himself.

oafpatroll · Jun 04, 2025, 05:28 PM

Quote from: Tripodmvr on Jun 04, 2025, 05:08 PM
Quote from: oafpatroll on Jun 04, 2025, 10:39 AMI don't think that home DIY swaging would work on copper monos. Almost certain that would require multi-ton presses. SBC bullets are swaged (as far as I know) and they work well out to much further than 50m

SBC are CNC manufactured base with bonded lead front. Got that from the owner himself.

Thanks for the correction. I had assumed that at least some part of them were swaged as I know he looked at a Corbin machine I found that he said he needed for manufacture.

Treeman · Jun 05, 2025, 08:32 AM

Quote from: oafpatroll on Jun 04, 2025, 10:39 AMI don't think that home DIY swaging would work on copper monos. Almost certain that would require multi-ton presses. SBC bullets are swaged (as far as I know) and they work well out to much further than 50m

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I was talking about home application and the equipment shown. Those dies etc shown will never even get half way regarding pressure required to swage copper.
I was also referring to swaging home style is not precise enough to make 100 m 1 inch group.

oafpatroll · Jun 05, 2025, 08:35 AM

Quote from: Treeman on Jun 05, 2025, 08:32 AM
Quote from: oafpatroll on Jun 04, 2025, 10:39 AMI don't think that home DIY swaging would work on copper monos. Almost certain that would require multi-ton presses. SBC bullets are swaged (as far as I know) and they work well out to much further than 50m
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I was talking about home application and the equipment shown. Those dies etc shown will never even get half way regarding pressure required to swage copper.
I was also referring to swaging home style is not precise enough to make 100 m 1 inch group.

Understood. I have always wanted to get into swaging after having achieved surprising success with cast and powder coated bullets but chickened out at the cost of the equipment. Glad I didn't bother as I don't shoot nearly enough rifle to justify the cost.